1 00:00:04,521 --> 00:00:07,081 - In 1964 Granada Television brought 2 00:00:07,081 --> 00:00:09,201 together a group of seven year olds, 3 00:00:10,241 --> 00:00:13,321 from all over the country and from all walks of life. 4 00:00:13,321 --> 00:00:16,121 - If I could I would have two girls and two boys. 5 00:00:17,641 --> 00:00:19,681 - I read the Financial Times. 6 00:00:20,961 --> 00:00:22,881 - They talked about their dreams, 7 00:00:22,881 --> 00:00:26,401 their ambitions and their fears for the future. 8 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:30,321 - Everything throughout the years, it all landed on my head. 9 00:00:32,521 --> 00:00:34,241 - For nearly half a century, 10 00:00:34,241 --> 00:00:37,281 in a unique ground-breaking series of films, 11 00:00:37,281 --> 00:00:39,641 we have followed their lives every seven years. 12 00:00:42,041 --> 00:00:42,881 They are now 46. 13 00:00:47,281 --> 00:00:51,641 - Well my girlfriend is in Africa 14 00:00:51,641 --> 00:00:54,281 and I don't think I'll have another chance 15 00:00:54,281 --> 00:00:56,161 of seeing her again. 16 00:00:56,161 --> 00:00:57,521 - Have you got a girlfriend? 17 00:00:57,521 --> 00:01:00,241 - No, no not yet. 18 00:01:00,241 --> 00:01:03,721 I'm sure it will come, but not yet. 19 00:01:03,721 --> 00:01:08,721 I mean I do think a lot of people think too much about it. 20 00:01:08,881 --> 00:01:15,881 I think I would very much like to become involved 21 00:01:15,961 --> 00:01:18,561 in my own family for a start. 22 00:01:18,561 --> 00:01:22,081 That's a need that I feel I ought to fulfil 23 00:01:22,081 --> 00:01:24,881 and would like to fulfil and would do it well. 24 00:01:24,881 --> 00:01:28,401 Yes I haven't got married or whatever and I suppose 25 00:01:28,401 --> 00:01:32,001 that would have been something which I hoped had happened. 26 00:01:32,001 --> 00:01:32,841 - [Michael Well, you're getting on a bit. 27 00:01:32,841 --> 00:01:34,281 Are you getting worried? 28 00:01:34,281 --> 00:01:37,081 - Well not particularly I mean, I'm always optimistic, 29 00:01:37,081 --> 00:01:39,201 I mean who knows who I might meet tomorrow. 30 00:01:40,801 --> 00:01:42,201 - And in the middle of a conversation about 31 00:01:42,201 --> 00:01:47,201 something completely different he just asked if I'd like 32 00:01:49,161 --> 00:01:51,481 to marry him, and if I hadn't been listening carefully 33 00:01:51,481 --> 00:01:52,841 I would have missed it completely. 34 00:01:52,841 --> 00:01:56,001 - To love and to cherish. 35 00:01:56,001 --> 00:01:59,961 - 'Til death us do part. 36 00:01:59,961 --> 00:02:02,441 We don't argue very much. 37 00:02:02,441 --> 00:02:05,721 - Not really, I mean we haven't really had a full blown row. 38 00:02:05,721 --> 00:02:09,801 - No, our arguments tend to be two sentences 39 00:02:09,801 --> 00:02:12,161 and I go off and sulk for 24 hours. 40 00:02:12,161 --> 00:02:14,481 - So is Bruce getting any better 41 00:02:14,481 --> 00:02:16,241 at expressing his feelings to you? 42 00:02:17,121 --> 00:02:22,481 - Erm, mm, mm-- 43 00:02:22,641 --> 00:02:23,641 - Not really 44 00:02:23,801 --> 00:02:25,641 by the sound of that. 45 00:02:25,641 --> 00:02:27,721 Yeah, I think so, yeah. 46 00:02:27,721 --> 00:02:29,241 - And we may have children I don't know, 47 00:02:29,241 --> 00:02:34,081 I mean if in seven years time or so we're living 48 00:02:34,081 --> 00:02:36,601 in a slightly bigger house with a young family 49 00:02:36,601 --> 00:02:38,121 that would be nice. 50 00:02:38,121 --> 00:02:40,281 I mean I don't want to pin all my hopes on it 51 00:02:40,281 --> 00:02:41,561 and nothing happens. 52 00:02:42,641 --> 00:02:45,881 We are quite old, I can see bringing up say teenage children 53 00:02:45,881 --> 00:02:49,681 when you're in your fifties might be a bit strange. 54 00:02:51,561 --> 00:02:53,001 Come on then Henry get on. 55 00:02:53,001 --> 00:02:57,441 - Bruce and Penny had two sons, Henry and George. 56 00:02:57,441 --> 00:02:59,041 On daddy's head. 57 00:02:59,041 --> 00:03:00,321 - I mean, seven years ago you were taking a bit 58 00:03:00,321 --> 00:03:01,721 of a pasting from them. 59 00:03:01,721 --> 00:03:04,761 - Well yes exactly and that's, you know, 60 00:03:04,761 --> 00:03:09,201 if they sat on me now I wouldn't be able to get up again. 61 00:03:09,201 --> 00:03:12,241 And in the second year I was in rooms 62 00:03:12,241 --> 00:03:14,641 at the top of that staircase there. 63 00:03:14,641 --> 00:03:16,841 - Bruce and Penny took the boys away 64 00:03:16,841 --> 00:03:21,481 for a weekend to Oxford to see Bruce's old college 65 00:03:21,481 --> 00:03:23,441 and to watch their father play cricket. 66 00:03:24,281 --> 00:03:27,481 - It's just nice drifting along the river 67 00:03:27,481 --> 00:03:28,801 without making too much noise. 68 00:03:28,801 --> 00:03:31,881 You know, if you can see the odd the wildlife 69 00:03:31,881 --> 00:03:34,721 and so on you come up on it unawares kind of thing. 70 00:03:36,161 --> 00:03:38,561 - Muddy water and a spider, ta. 71 00:03:40,481 --> 00:03:43,481 - One of you link up one, and one of you-- 72 00:03:43,481 --> 00:03:46,401 I think it's more of a father son thing to go along 73 00:03:46,401 --> 00:03:48,001 and watch and support. 74 00:03:48,001 --> 00:03:49,921 And we always have lunch then tea 75 00:03:49,921 --> 00:03:51,961 and then a barbecue afterwards. 76 00:03:51,961 --> 00:03:53,601 - We're not very good at this are we? 77 00:03:53,601 --> 00:03:56,401 - Ever since Cornwall it was to be no more camping. 78 00:03:57,241 --> 00:04:00,601 - My heart's desire is to see my daddy 79 00:04:00,601 --> 00:04:03,241 who's six thousand miles away. 80 00:04:04,241 --> 00:04:06,561 - What happened between you and your dad? 81 00:04:06,561 --> 00:04:09,321 - I suppose the separation and the distance. 82 00:04:09,321 --> 00:04:12,801 When I was 14 I went out to Zimbabwe, 83 00:04:12,801 --> 00:04:15,801 and then later when he retired to England we felt 84 00:04:15,801 --> 00:04:17,321 that there was a lot of distance 85 00:04:17,321 --> 00:04:20,121 between us and ground to make up. 86 00:04:20,121 --> 00:04:24,161 Okay. 87 00:04:24,161 --> 00:04:26,721 I think it's going to take quite a while. 88 00:04:26,721 --> 00:04:29,761 The boys are still young enough for us all three 89 00:04:29,761 --> 00:04:31,281 to fit in to a small tent. 90 00:04:32,401 --> 00:04:35,081 I suppose it's a bit of dad's and lads and getting 91 00:04:35,081 --> 00:04:38,401 to know each other and forming a relationship and so on. 92 00:04:41,841 --> 00:04:43,681 - Under your weight. - Oh lord, 93 00:04:43,681 --> 00:04:45,281 that's not gonna go in. 94 00:04:45,281 --> 00:04:48,521 Okay, boys, what's that then? 95 00:04:48,521 --> 00:04:50,161 They always come first. 96 00:04:50,161 --> 00:04:52,001 I mean we've got our work and so on, 97 00:04:52,001 --> 00:04:53,521 so we'll do a variety of things with them. 98 00:04:53,521 --> 00:04:55,121 I'll do it later, dear. 99 00:04:57,401 --> 00:04:58,641 I'm off to play cricket. 100 00:04:59,881 --> 00:05:01,001 - It's all right George. - Is the forecast 101 00:05:01,001 --> 00:05:01,841 to rain tonight? 102 00:05:03,161 --> 00:05:04,281 - We're riding and we turn 103 00:05:04,281 --> 00:05:06,361 to go sideways, commence. 104 00:05:07,481 --> 00:05:11,241 - When he was seven Bruce was at boarding school. 105 00:05:11,241 --> 00:05:12,561 - Tallyho! 106 00:05:12,561 --> 00:05:14,161 - He went on to Oxford 107 00:05:14,161 --> 00:05:16,121 where he got a maths degree. 108 00:05:16,121 --> 00:05:18,081 - You can show that this is irreducible 109 00:05:19,041 --> 00:05:21,521 then you do a transformation on this polynomial, 110 00:05:21,521 --> 00:05:23,041 x equal to t plus two. 111 00:05:23,961 --> 00:05:26,881 - After Oxford he worked in the city for a year, 112 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:29,761 then decided to teach. 113 00:05:30,801 --> 00:05:32,801 He taught in a state school. 114 00:05:32,801 --> 00:05:34,001 - Yes sir! 115 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:36,841 - General education is better for society I think. 116 00:05:38,081 --> 00:05:40,041 There is a class society, 117 00:05:40,041 --> 00:05:45,041 and I think public schools may help it's continuance. 118 00:05:48,641 --> 00:05:51,321 - At 35 Bruce took a sabbatical 119 00:05:51,321 --> 00:05:52,761 and taught in Bangladesh. 120 00:05:55,321 --> 00:05:56,921 - The straight line, yes keep going, 121 00:05:56,921 --> 00:05:58,481 keep going, keep going-- - At 42 he was back 122 00:05:58,481 --> 00:06:01,481 in the East End as head of the maths department 123 00:06:01,481 --> 00:06:03,281 at a girls comprehensive school. 124 00:06:04,401 --> 00:06:06,801 ♪ Hallelujah ♪ 125 00:06:08,281 --> 00:06:11,081 - At 49 we found him teaching 126 00:06:11,081 --> 00:06:14,201 at St Albans, an independent school. 127 00:06:14,201 --> 00:06:16,201 ♪ Ah ah ah ah ♪ 128 00:06:16,201 --> 00:06:17,561 - In the early days the school was 129 00:06:17,561 --> 00:06:21,121 in the Abbey going back to 948. 130 00:06:22,561 --> 00:06:25,401 - 948? - Yes so the head 131 00:06:25,401 --> 00:06:28,361 quite likes to say we're in our third millennium, you know. 132 00:06:29,481 --> 00:06:31,481 - So the schools over a thousand years old? 133 00:06:31,481 --> 00:06:33,441 - Yes in one form or another. 134 00:06:33,441 --> 00:06:35,481 You have to make x a subject of this equation. 135 00:06:35,481 --> 00:06:36,721 You've got to get x on it's own 136 00:06:36,721 --> 00:06:37,801 so what's the first thing we do? 137 00:06:37,801 --> 00:06:38,841 - I multiplied both sides by-- 138 00:06:38,841 --> 00:06:41,241 - Has it been a kind of compromise 139 00:06:41,241 --> 00:06:43,521 of political principals for you this? 140 00:06:44,521 --> 00:06:47,641 - Well I would say have a million angels in front 141 00:06:47,641 --> 00:06:49,761 of every teacher who's prepared to slog away 142 00:06:49,761 --> 00:06:52,601 at an inner city comprehensive, make way make, 143 00:06:52,601 --> 00:06:54,001 way this is somebody who is prepared 144 00:06:54,001 --> 00:06:56,441 to turn up each day and do that job. 145 00:06:58,281 --> 00:07:00,401 - Do your old friends give you a hard time 146 00:07:00,401 --> 00:07:01,241 about what you've done? 147 00:07:01,241 --> 00:07:02,921 - They certainly do, they absolutely do. 148 00:07:02,921 --> 00:07:05,801 They say have we joined the Tory party, 149 00:07:05,801 --> 00:07:09,441 the golf club, the Masons, you know. 150 00:07:09,441 --> 00:07:12,321 I'm quite happy just being an ordinary maths teacher 151 00:07:12,321 --> 00:07:16,601 for the not many years that I've got left actually. 152 00:07:17,681 --> 00:07:20,681 So I'm quite happy, I'm not ambitious now. 153 00:07:25,841 --> 00:07:27,561 - Yep. - Chase it up. 154 00:07:27,561 --> 00:07:30,881 - So do you enjoy watching cricket? 155 00:07:30,881 --> 00:07:33,761 - I can watch it for short periods. 156 00:07:36,841 --> 00:07:39,961 It's a sort of a sport tax on Bruce. 157 00:07:39,961 --> 00:07:41,881 He plays cricket, I go and shop. 158 00:07:43,481 --> 00:07:45,441 Oh, yeah yeah yeah. 159 00:07:45,441 --> 00:07:48,001 - So is he playing as much, Bruce, as he used to? 160 00:07:48,001 --> 00:07:52,921 - No, no and when he does he usually manages 161 00:07:52,921 --> 00:07:55,641 to pull a muscle so. 162 00:07:55,641 --> 00:07:57,561 - But they lost by about 70 runs 163 00:07:57,561 --> 00:08:00,481 and our team lost by about 70 runs. 164 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:03,641 At the end of the game somebody is nominated 165 00:08:03,641 --> 00:08:06,561 to where that ridiculous garment 166 00:08:06,561 --> 00:08:08,841 and I think bringing you lot along 167 00:08:08,841 --> 00:08:10,161 for the weekend had a lot to do 168 00:08:10,161 --> 00:08:13,921 with me winning the jacket this time. 169 00:08:13,921 --> 00:08:16,201 - So the jacket is not an enviable thing to win. 170 00:08:16,201 --> 00:08:17,361 - No no. 171 00:08:17,361 --> 00:08:22,361 Well going to Africa and try and teach people 172 00:08:22,361 --> 00:08:27,281 who are not civilised to be more or less good. 173 00:08:28,401 --> 00:08:34,761 It all springs from that in God and Christ I suppose. 174 00:08:35,361 --> 00:08:36,441 - Some people often will say 175 00:08:36,441 --> 00:08:39,641 that the bully is upset about something 176 00:08:39,641 --> 00:08:42,281 in their own lives and so when they're bullying they're-- 177 00:08:42,281 --> 00:08:45,081 - I suppose I'm taking them to Quakers 178 00:08:45,081 --> 00:08:47,001 so that they learn the Christian stories 179 00:08:47,001 --> 00:08:49,801 and a lot of what's embedded in our culture. 180 00:08:49,801 --> 00:08:52,321 They are good moral tales that which 181 00:08:52,321 --> 00:08:56,041 when they reflect upon they may give them a sense 182 00:08:56,041 --> 00:08:57,161 of right and wrong and so on. 183 00:08:57,161 --> 00:08:58,921 - One way or another, we'll get sort of drawn in-- 184 00:08:58,921 --> 00:09:03,721 - We like the ethos of tolerance and understanding. 185 00:09:05,721 --> 00:09:08,441 - The boys also go to a local Quaker school 186 00:09:08,441 --> 00:09:09,721 where Penny teaches. 187 00:09:11,001 --> 00:09:13,841 - Everybody in the school from the youngest 2 1/2 year old 188 00:09:13,841 --> 00:09:17,641 in the nursery to the headmaster is known 189 00:09:17,641 --> 00:09:21,161 by their first names, and there is no uniform, 190 00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:24,081 and very few formal rules. 191 00:09:25,161 --> 00:09:26,161 - Hello, watch out, 'cause I'll take Milly if-- 192 00:09:26,161 --> 00:09:27,961 - She's worse than ever father. 193 00:09:27,961 --> 00:09:29,801 - Are you ambitious for them? 194 00:09:29,801 --> 00:09:33,281 - Yeah, I mean, some people work ferociously hard 195 00:09:33,281 --> 00:09:35,281 and while that's rewarding and they enjoy that 196 00:09:35,281 --> 00:09:37,841 and they enjoy the success and so on, 197 00:09:37,841 --> 00:09:40,481 you just hope they get a nice balance to their lives. 198 00:09:43,641 --> 00:09:45,241 - What are your fears 199 00:09:45,241 --> 00:09:47,641 for the future with the boys? 200 00:09:47,641 --> 00:09:49,441 - That they don't fulfil their potential, 201 00:09:49,441 --> 00:09:54,281 that they're lead astray in some way, drugs or something. 202 00:09:55,281 --> 00:09:59,561 They end up unhappy with regrets about not having done 203 00:09:59,561 --> 00:10:00,601 as well as they could. 204 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:02,961 When you boys fight, what a night we're gonna have here. 205 00:10:02,961 --> 00:10:05,241 - Right, if I wake up to find 206 00:10:05,241 --> 00:10:09,161 anybody clutching my genitals. - George! 207 00:10:09,161 --> 00:10:12,921 They're very good company but they will grow apart, 208 00:10:13,801 --> 00:10:17,401 you know, eventually leave home and we won't see them 209 00:10:17,401 --> 00:10:22,161 so often and in a way I'll miss them dreadfully 210 00:10:22,161 --> 00:10:24,081 but that's the natural order of things. 211 00:10:25,281 --> 00:10:27,521 And just think how uncomfortable mummy is 212 00:10:27,521 --> 00:10:29,241 in her bed and breakfast. 213 00:10:29,241 --> 00:10:31,161 But just remember when we're in a tent, 214 00:10:32,481 --> 00:10:35,401 the Baldwin family are a non-farting family. 215 00:10:36,361 --> 00:10:38,721 - Thank you father for that. - Dad shut up. 216 00:10:52,361 --> 00:10:54,401 - I'm going to work in Woolworths. 217 00:10:54,401 --> 00:10:56,161 ♪ If you said that you'd leave me ♪ 218 00:10:56,161 --> 00:10:58,881 - Lynn grew up in the East End of London 219 00:10:58,881 --> 00:11:01,681 - Why am I using a wooden spoon please 220 00:11:01,681 --> 00:11:03,241 to stir this saucepan? - Yeah, that's right. 221 00:11:03,241 --> 00:11:04,321 - Well in a grammar school I don't think you find 222 00:11:04,321 --> 00:11:07,481 many girls that really want to do metalwork or woodwork. 223 00:11:07,481 --> 00:11:08,321 - No. 224 00:11:09,961 --> 00:11:12,281 - At 21 she began a career 225 00:11:12,281 --> 00:11:15,081 as a children's librarian starting off 226 00:11:15,081 --> 00:11:17,601 in a mobile library in East London. 227 00:11:17,601 --> 00:11:19,041 - Have I stamped yours? - Yes. 228 00:11:19,041 --> 00:11:23,081 - Yes, I've not stamped yours, "Sleeping Beauty." 229 00:11:23,081 --> 00:11:28,081 Teaching children the beauty of books is just fantastic. 230 00:11:28,681 --> 00:11:31,081 To work with children of that age you've got to love them 231 00:11:31,081 --> 00:11:32,121 and I love children. 232 00:11:34,121 --> 00:11:36,641 - Because of the cuts in the education budget, 233 00:11:36,641 --> 00:11:38,521 the mobile library was shut down. 234 00:11:39,841 --> 00:11:42,961 At 42 Lynne was working at Bethnal Green. 235 00:11:44,081 --> 00:11:46,161 - You can draw better than I can. 236 00:11:46,161 --> 00:11:47,001 Good morning. 237 00:11:47,001 --> 00:11:49,241 - When we went back at 49, she was still there. 238 00:11:49,241 --> 00:11:52,881 - Good morning, what about you, good morning. 239 00:11:52,881 --> 00:11:54,681 For the last 30 years I've banged my head 240 00:11:54,681 --> 00:11:58,321 against a brick wall to maintain children's services, 241 00:11:58,321 --> 00:12:00,641 but this time round no one's listening. 242 00:12:01,561 --> 00:12:05,401 They say that the work that I do that anybody can do it. 243 00:12:06,401 --> 00:12:09,241 There would be no specialist running it. 244 00:12:10,041 --> 00:12:11,681 One. - One. 245 00:12:11,681 --> 00:12:13,121 - I may not have a job. 246 00:12:15,201 --> 00:12:18,361 At that library review I got a job. 247 00:12:19,721 --> 00:12:22,161 Two years later another review. 248 00:12:23,881 --> 00:12:27,401 And cutting departments again. 249 00:12:29,281 --> 00:12:31,321 That time I didn't get the job. 250 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:35,281 - Has it been worth it all? 251 00:12:35,281 --> 00:12:36,321 - Yeah very much. 252 00:12:39,721 --> 00:12:42,881 All these things that I've said over the years are flying 253 00:12:42,881 --> 00:12:44,601 through my mind at the moment, 254 00:12:44,601 --> 00:12:46,721 but yes it has been worth it. 255 00:12:49,081 --> 00:12:51,521 - Hmm. - And you better cut it 256 00:12:51,521 --> 00:12:53,241 'cause otherwise I'm going to cry. 257 00:12:55,561 --> 00:12:59,561 Fortunately I was over 50 and I could draw my pension. 258 00:13:01,401 --> 00:13:04,761 We decided we can downsize. 259 00:13:05,881 --> 00:13:09,201 We'll move out, smaller property, 260 00:13:09,201 --> 00:13:11,401 there's only the two of us at home now, 261 00:13:11,401 --> 00:13:13,241 and we'd be great. 262 00:13:14,841 --> 00:13:15,841 Then the crash came. 263 00:13:17,721 --> 00:13:18,921 And then Riley was born, 264 00:13:19,801 --> 00:13:22,681 and what I thought was stress was nothing. 265 00:13:25,481 --> 00:13:28,281 - Riley is one of Lynn's three grandsons. 266 00:13:29,481 --> 00:13:31,681 How much did he weigh when he was born? 267 00:13:31,681 --> 00:13:34,761 - Two pounds and a quarter ounce. 268 00:13:34,761 --> 00:13:37,161 As soon as he was born they took him straight 269 00:13:37,161 --> 00:13:41,041 through to the neonatal intensive care unit. 270 00:13:41,041 --> 00:13:43,921 Three, how many have you got? 271 00:13:43,921 --> 00:13:45,601 - Yeah yah. - Yeah. 272 00:13:45,601 --> 00:13:50,601 He was put on oxygen, monitors on, tubes coming out 273 00:13:51,521 --> 00:13:56,521 of everywhere and he's absolutely fine thanks 274 00:13:56,961 --> 00:14:00,721 to the NICU Unit at William Harvey Hospital in Ashford. 275 00:14:00,721 --> 00:14:01,681 - I've got to go to work darling, 276 00:14:01,681 --> 00:14:03,401 give me a kiss. - Mummy's going to work. 277 00:14:03,401 --> 00:14:05,361 Say bye bye mummy. - Right, see you later. 278 00:14:05,361 --> 00:14:07,721 - Riley has an older brother, Connor. 279 00:14:10,681 --> 00:14:12,681 - Erm, for the last eighteen months 280 00:14:12,681 --> 00:14:17,081 or so I've actually had Riley full time. 281 00:14:17,081 --> 00:14:21,001 If I could I'd have two girls and two boys. 282 00:14:22,041 --> 00:14:25,281 I've been married a year and a couple of months. 283 00:14:26,801 --> 00:14:29,001 You do think, Christ what have I done. 284 00:14:30,201 --> 00:14:32,881 - When she was 19 she married Russ. 285 00:14:35,481 --> 00:14:38,521 They had 2 daughters, Sarah and Emma. 286 00:14:39,601 --> 00:14:42,841 - I'm very much geared to the family unit. 287 00:14:42,841 --> 00:14:47,841 I mean us all we do things together all the time. 288 00:14:49,321 --> 00:14:51,921 - At 42 the girls were both doing 289 00:14:51,921 --> 00:14:53,281 very well at school. 290 00:14:53,281 --> 00:14:54,881 - Alright darling? - Yeah. 291 00:14:54,881 --> 00:14:56,561 - Neither of the girls went to university? 292 00:14:56,561 --> 00:14:58,161 - No, no. 293 00:14:58,161 --> 00:14:59,921 - Was that disappointing to you? 294 00:14:59,921 --> 00:15:02,801 - No, their choice, we discussed it, 295 00:15:02,801 --> 00:15:05,201 it's what they wanted to do. 296 00:15:05,201 --> 00:15:08,161 They felt that the academic side wasn't for them. 297 00:15:09,561 --> 00:15:10,441 Sorry. 298 00:15:10,441 --> 00:15:13,481 - So was the arrival of Connor a shock to you? 299 00:15:14,601 --> 00:15:19,601 - No, well yeah but, she was 19, she's old enough. 300 00:15:22,761 --> 00:15:24,681 Oh look he's coming after you. 301 00:15:24,681 --> 00:15:27,241 Look, he's coming over here to see. 302 00:15:29,641 --> 00:15:31,201 - And how's old Connor doing? 303 00:15:31,201 --> 00:15:32,921 - He's doing great. 304 00:15:32,921 --> 00:15:35,281 He's off to his new secondary school, 305 00:15:35,281 --> 00:15:37,561 keeps telling me he's nearly as tall as me 306 00:15:37,561 --> 00:15:40,441 but I keep saying no you've got a while to go yet. 307 00:15:40,441 --> 00:15:42,641 - How does he deal with Riley? 308 00:15:42,641 --> 00:15:47,641 - He loves Riley to bits but Riley is just a two year old. 309 00:15:49,241 --> 00:15:53,201 Sarah and Adam have got married since we last saw you. 310 00:15:53,201 --> 00:15:55,881 They've got a little boy called Harry. 311 00:15:55,881 --> 00:15:58,481 He's getting on fine. 312 00:15:58,481 --> 00:16:01,921 Sarah having just had Harry was put 313 00:16:01,921 --> 00:16:04,401 in the same boat as I was. 314 00:16:04,401 --> 00:16:06,921 The day before she was due to go back to work 315 00:16:06,921 --> 00:16:10,321 after maternity leave, made redundant. 316 00:16:10,321 --> 00:16:12,121 - Yes, there used to be a lot more sub species 317 00:16:12,121 --> 00:16:14,121 but with various breeding they've gone extinct. 318 00:16:14,121 --> 00:16:18,881 - And she's now trained as a child minder. 319 00:16:18,881 --> 00:16:20,761 She's doing absolutely brilliantly. 320 00:16:20,761 --> 00:16:22,441 - The other one comes as well. 321 00:16:22,441 --> 00:16:23,281 - Wow. 322 00:16:23,281 --> 00:16:24,721 - And is Emma still in the same job? 323 00:16:24,721 --> 00:16:26,521 - Yeah. - Is that going okay? 324 00:16:26,521 --> 00:16:29,561 - I mean with the recession work dropped 325 00:16:29,561 --> 00:16:33,961 off an awful lot but it seems to be picking up again now. 326 00:16:33,961 --> 00:16:35,321 - You can't go over though. 327 00:16:37,321 --> 00:16:39,481 - So Russ took early retirement too 328 00:16:39,481 --> 00:16:41,161 so what's happened with him? 329 00:16:41,161 --> 00:16:43,881 - Because of the crash he picked up a job. 330 00:16:43,881 --> 00:16:48,041 Instead of the two part time jobs he got a full time job. 331 00:16:49,081 --> 00:16:52,401 - So we are looking at a much longer working life 332 00:16:52,401 --> 00:16:53,681 than perhaps we thought? 333 00:16:53,681 --> 00:16:55,161 - Yeah for everyone. 334 00:16:57,481 --> 00:16:59,161 The goalposts keep highering. 335 00:16:59,161 --> 00:17:02,081 People that thought when they started work 336 00:17:02,081 --> 00:17:04,481 that they were going to retire at 60, 337 00:17:04,481 --> 00:17:08,841 draw their state pension as well, it's totally changed. 338 00:17:08,841 --> 00:17:11,281 - They come round and mop the floor and then a couple 339 00:17:11,281 --> 00:17:12,481 of minutes later another waitress come over. 340 00:17:12,481 --> 00:17:16,321 - I'm not politically minded but I still believe 341 00:17:16,321 --> 00:17:19,961 that they haven't got a clue what they're doing. 342 00:17:22,881 --> 00:17:26,201 Some people are never ever going to recover from it. 343 00:17:26,201 --> 00:17:30,641 It's unfortunately going to be quite devastating for them. 344 00:17:31,881 --> 00:17:34,801 We've no left wing Labour Party anymore. 345 00:17:34,801 --> 00:17:36,281 Tony Blair saw to that. 346 00:17:37,401 --> 00:17:39,281 They all via to the right. 347 00:17:40,521 --> 00:17:43,241 - I didn't know I was getting in to this. 348 00:17:43,241 --> 00:17:45,921 - Are you alright? - Yeah I think so. 349 00:17:45,921 --> 00:17:47,881 - This is unbelievable. - You step up to that mate. 350 00:17:47,881 --> 00:17:49,881 - No, look out! - Russ is still 351 00:17:49,881 --> 00:17:54,321 such a great support for me, and he is still my soul mate. 352 00:17:55,721 --> 00:17:56,961 You take care I love you. 353 00:17:57,801 --> 00:18:01,961 After all this time, we flourish together. 354 00:18:04,001 --> 00:18:07,321 I had an all white wedding, all white. 355 00:18:07,321 --> 00:18:09,961 We were both in white and my bridesmaid was in white. 356 00:18:12,801 --> 00:18:17,801 37 years, gone extremely quickly, we've just grown together. 357 00:18:20,521 --> 00:18:23,881 We learnt to be friends before we had children', 358 00:18:23,881 --> 00:18:27,841 we established a solid foundation from which to work from. 359 00:18:30,081 --> 00:18:31,521 - Think of how fit it's going to make you. 360 00:18:31,521 --> 00:18:34,721 - Put that in your script. 361 00:18:34,721 --> 00:18:35,721 - So for you that's-- 362 00:18:35,721 --> 00:18:39,281 - I'm happy with the way my life has gone. 363 00:18:39,281 --> 00:18:41,361 I just don't-- - Grandad brave? 364 00:18:41,361 --> 00:18:43,721 - I'm still a Governor, I'm still Chair 365 00:18:43,721 --> 00:18:45,401 of Governors at St Saviours. 366 00:18:46,921 --> 00:18:50,841 Just been appointed for another four year term of office 367 00:18:50,841 --> 00:18:53,961 from the London Diocese and Boarder Schools. 368 00:18:55,401 --> 00:18:57,321 I must be doing something right. 369 00:19:15,521 --> 00:19:18,521 - I read the Financial Times. 370 00:19:18,521 --> 00:19:21,241 - I read the Observer and The Times. 371 00:19:21,241 --> 00:19:23,241 - What do you like about it? 372 00:19:23,241 --> 00:19:26,721 - Well I like, I usually look at the headlines 373 00:19:26,721 --> 00:19:31,521 and then read about them, about it. 374 00:19:31,521 --> 00:19:36,521 When I leave this school I'm going to Colet Court, 375 00:19:39,321 --> 00:19:42,001 and then I will be going to Westminster Boarding School 376 00:19:42,001 --> 00:19:43,001 if I pass the exam. 377 00:19:45,161 --> 00:19:49,041 And then we think I'm going to Cambridge and Trinity Hall. 378 00:19:52,281 --> 00:19:54,601 - John went to Westminster. 379 00:19:54,601 --> 00:19:57,201 Then on to read law at Christchurch Oxford. 380 00:20:00,041 --> 00:20:02,161 - I'm thinking of following a legal career 381 00:20:04,081 --> 00:20:05,881 with a view to ending in Parliament. 382 00:20:06,761 --> 00:20:07,841 - Might be at the bar. 383 00:20:09,921 --> 00:20:13,561 - Doing what? - Perhaps chancery practise. 384 00:20:15,361 --> 00:20:17,601 I now have a career, I'm a barrister. 385 00:20:19,361 --> 00:20:22,641 Other than that life chugs along in varying degrees. 386 00:20:22,641 --> 00:20:24,321 Well in a sense not very much has changed 387 00:20:24,321 --> 00:20:26,401 in my career over the last 14 years, 388 00:20:26,401 --> 00:20:29,201 I'm still a barrister I still wear a curly white wig. 389 00:20:30,441 --> 00:20:33,681 The only visible difference I suppose is a wear a silk gown 390 00:20:33,681 --> 00:20:35,601 because I'm now a QC. 391 00:20:35,601 --> 00:20:37,001 So week after next is ideal-- 392 00:20:37,001 --> 00:20:38,081 - Yeah, the week after next. 393 00:20:38,081 --> 00:20:39,801 - Except for Monday, I'm going out-- 394 00:20:39,801 --> 00:20:42,481 I do largely litigation. 395 00:20:42,481 --> 00:20:45,881 I enjoy the work which is intellectually stimulating 396 00:20:45,881 --> 00:20:48,721 and always interesting. 397 00:20:48,721 --> 00:20:51,041 I'm blessed with an exceptionally nice group 398 00:20:51,041 --> 00:20:54,041 of people in these Chambers who I really get on with. 399 00:20:54,041 --> 00:20:57,921 I've been ushers at many members of chambers weddings. 400 00:20:57,921 --> 00:21:01,961 I've been god father to least three chambers children. 401 00:21:01,961 --> 00:21:05,401 It's a really nice close set of friends here 402 00:21:05,401 --> 00:21:09,721 and I think I'm very blessed in my work environment. 403 00:21:09,721 --> 00:21:13,721 - I'm going to Charter House and after that 404 00:21:14,961 --> 00:21:17,441 to Trinity Hall Cambridge. 405 00:21:18,841 --> 00:21:20,401 - Andrew went to Charter House 406 00:21:20,401 --> 00:21:23,201 and Cambridge where he read law. 407 00:21:23,201 --> 00:21:27,161 - I'd like to be a solicitor and also fairly successful. 408 00:21:28,081 --> 00:21:30,561 - At 28 Andrew was a Solicitor. 409 00:21:32,281 --> 00:21:34,601 By 35 he'd become a partner. 410 00:21:36,681 --> 00:21:38,481 Later, he joined the legal department 411 00:21:38,481 --> 00:21:40,601 of a large British industrial company. 412 00:21:41,641 --> 00:21:45,041 A few years after they we taken over by a German firm. 413 00:21:46,481 --> 00:21:47,681 - There was a bit of uncertainty 414 00:21:47,681 --> 00:21:51,801 when you get two large organisations coming together, 415 00:21:51,801 --> 00:21:53,841 you know who was gonna have a job at the end of it, 416 00:21:53,841 --> 00:21:55,441 who was gonna be made redundant. 417 00:21:55,441 --> 00:21:57,881 I was fortunate enough that I still had a job 418 00:21:57,881 --> 00:22:00,561 at the end of it, and it's worked very well. 419 00:22:00,561 --> 00:22:03,121 When boys go round with girls they don't pay attention 420 00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:04,481 to what they're doing. 421 00:22:04,481 --> 00:22:06,921 For instance, my grandmother had an accident 422 00:22:06,921 --> 00:22:10,121 because a boyfriend was kissing his girlfriend 423 00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:11,441 in the street. 424 00:22:12,281 --> 00:22:15,761 - By 35 John had married Claire, 425 00:22:15,761 --> 00:22:18,521 the daughter of a former Ambassador to Bulgaria. 426 00:22:19,801 --> 00:22:23,721 - It is coincidental that we met but it's obvious 427 00:22:23,721 --> 00:22:28,721 that the Balkan connection was a strong mutual interest. 428 00:22:29,361 --> 00:22:32,881 - My great great grandfather was the first Prime Minister 429 00:22:32,881 --> 00:22:35,001 of Bulgaria when the country was liberated 430 00:22:35,001 --> 00:22:37,961 from the Turks in 1879. 431 00:22:40,121 --> 00:22:42,521 Well I think everyone needs to have a feeling 432 00:22:42,521 --> 00:22:44,201 that they belong somewhere. 433 00:22:44,201 --> 00:22:47,321 There's a plot of land or somewhere 434 00:22:47,321 --> 00:22:50,841 where they hail from where they're roots are. 435 00:22:51,681 --> 00:22:54,921 People who go on about the government butchering the 436 00:22:54,921 --> 00:22:56,881 National Health Service I think should come over 437 00:22:56,881 --> 00:23:00,081 to Bulgaria to see what's been kept short 438 00:23:00,081 --> 00:23:03,401 of necessary supplies and funds really does mean. 439 00:23:06,001 --> 00:23:08,121 We're at the centre for the rehabilitation 440 00:23:08,121 --> 00:23:10,761 for disabled children at Dalbert Dol near Tran 441 00:23:10,761 --> 00:23:15,121 in the Balkan mountains which our charity 442 00:23:15,121 --> 00:23:17,361 in London has helped quite a bit. 443 00:23:19,001 --> 00:23:22,041 We feel we can help in all sorts of smaller ways 444 00:23:22,041 --> 00:23:24,241 particularly with art classes 445 00:23:24,241 --> 00:23:26,401 or pottery classes or dancing classes. 446 00:23:26,401 --> 00:23:27,921 You can revolutionise the life 447 00:23:27,921 --> 00:23:30,161 of a child without actually having 448 00:23:30,161 --> 00:23:32,001 to raise huge sums of money. 449 00:23:32,001 --> 00:23:34,681 - What do you about girlfriends at your age? 450 00:23:35,641 --> 00:23:38,041 - I've got one but I don't think much of her. 451 00:23:38,041 --> 00:23:40,361 They're no longer just bores, 452 00:23:41,961 --> 00:23:43,841 who won't play this or something. 453 00:23:43,841 --> 00:23:47,361 - They're over half of the community and they're there. 454 00:23:47,361 --> 00:23:49,801 - You can begin to talk to them. 455 00:23:49,801 --> 00:23:52,801 - I don't think I financially come from the same background. 456 00:23:54,921 --> 00:23:56,361 Andrew didn't go for a hoity Deb. 457 00:23:56,361 --> 00:23:58,081 He went for a good Yorkshire lass. 458 00:23:59,081 --> 00:24:01,121 - Does money concern you a lot? 459 00:24:02,161 --> 00:24:05,281 - No I think as long as one has enough to be comfortable 460 00:24:05,281 --> 00:24:08,841 that's really what one could aim for. 461 00:24:08,841 --> 00:24:10,081 - What's the most difficult thing 462 00:24:10,081 --> 00:24:12,921 about keeping the marriage together? 463 00:24:12,921 --> 00:24:15,361 - I don't think it is particularly difficult actually. 464 00:24:15,361 --> 00:24:19,161 We seem to manage all right would you say? 465 00:24:19,161 --> 00:24:20,761 - I think so we talk don't we? 466 00:24:21,801 --> 00:24:23,561 - Well so, how is married life? 467 00:24:24,521 --> 00:24:27,001 - Well I still love him if that's what you're asking. 468 00:24:28,921 --> 00:24:29,761 - And like wise. 469 00:24:31,881 --> 00:24:34,321 I think the most important thing to us apart 470 00:24:34,321 --> 00:24:35,961 from our marriage is our children. 471 00:24:35,961 --> 00:24:40,241 So we look at them and we see that they seem 472 00:24:40,241 --> 00:24:42,481 to be happy and getting on well. 473 00:24:42,481 --> 00:24:44,201 We're pleased to be sitting here after 474 00:24:44,201 --> 00:24:48,601 however many years it is, 28 years, still happily together. 475 00:24:50,481 --> 00:24:53,041 - Andrew and Jane have two sons, 476 00:24:53,041 --> 00:24:54,681 Alexander and Timothy. 477 00:24:55,601 --> 00:24:58,961 - And you can never be sure of leaving your children 478 00:24:58,961 --> 00:25:01,961 any worldly goods but at least you can be sure 479 00:25:01,961 --> 00:25:04,441 that once you've given them a good education 480 00:25:04,441 --> 00:25:06,601 that's something that no one can take away. 481 00:25:08,241 --> 00:25:11,401 Alexander's now working in Canary Wharf 482 00:25:11,401 --> 00:25:12,481 in the City of London. 483 00:25:14,241 --> 00:25:18,281 And Timothy's just left St Andrews, graduated this year 484 00:25:18,281 --> 00:25:20,601 and he's going on to do a Post Graduate Degree 485 00:25:21,481 --> 00:25:23,321 at Durham University. 486 00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:24,721 - I'd quite like to go in to politics 487 00:25:24,721 --> 00:25:27,361 but that's easier said than done. 488 00:25:29,721 --> 00:25:32,561 Who knows I haven't written myself off 489 00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:36,801 as a potential politician, even though I'm already 49. 490 00:25:41,321 --> 00:25:43,001 Well I've always wanted to go in to politics 491 00:25:43,001 --> 00:25:44,521 but whether I'll ever do anything about it, 492 00:25:44,521 --> 00:25:47,801 I'm afraid I'm too old now, that's the truth, I mean. 493 00:25:49,041 --> 00:25:52,921 But it's depressing my two eldest friends are both ministers 494 00:25:52,921 --> 00:25:55,161 at the moment and one I've known since four, 495 00:25:55,161 --> 00:25:56,801 one I've known since five and I mean 496 00:25:56,801 --> 00:25:59,361 obviously one can't helping feeling was a bit 497 00:25:59,361 --> 00:26:02,001 of a failure by comparison. 498 00:26:03,201 --> 00:26:05,241 I think it's more fair if they're elected. 499 00:26:05,241 --> 00:26:07,841 - Yes so do I but I think it's better to be appointed. 500 00:26:07,841 --> 00:26:10,401 - Yes because you don't-- - Not after a long time. 501 00:26:10,401 --> 00:26:12,841 - It doesn't appointed. 502 00:26:12,841 --> 00:26:17,241 - I'm pleased that we have a coalition because I've always 503 00:26:17,241 --> 00:26:19,881 at heart believed in consensus politics. 504 00:26:21,721 --> 00:26:26,721 One thing that really does worry me is their attempts 505 00:26:26,801 --> 00:26:29,361 to solve the economic stagnation at the moment 506 00:26:29,361 --> 00:26:32,321 in this country by building all over the green belt 507 00:26:32,321 --> 00:26:34,281 and other areas of countryside. 508 00:26:35,441 --> 00:26:38,161 I've no doubt that whether it's five years or ten years 509 00:26:38,161 --> 00:26:40,721 this recession is going to be over one day 510 00:26:40,721 --> 00:26:43,241 but if the countryside is ruined it's ruined forever 511 00:26:43,241 --> 00:26:46,161 and for our children and our children's children and so on. 512 00:26:48,321 --> 00:26:50,401 - Andrew and Jane live in London 513 00:26:50,401 --> 00:26:52,521 but they have a second home in the country. 514 00:26:53,961 --> 00:26:57,201 - Well we bought it about, just when we got married 515 00:26:57,201 --> 00:26:59,081 and it was a two hundred year old barn 516 00:26:59,081 --> 00:27:01,001 that we bought at an auction, 517 00:27:01,001 --> 00:27:04,641 completely derelict, nothing in it at all except for manure. 518 00:27:07,281 --> 00:27:10,521 We've been here now 28 years, it's time's gone by 519 00:27:10,521 --> 00:27:13,721 but things have obviously got more mature over the years. 520 00:27:13,721 --> 00:27:15,601 - So is it done? 521 00:27:15,601 --> 00:27:17,921 - It's never done. 522 00:27:17,921 --> 00:27:19,801 There is always the problem of weeds. 523 00:27:22,401 --> 00:27:24,041 - As a couple are you concerned 524 00:27:24,041 --> 00:27:26,561 by the destruction of the environment is that something-- 525 00:27:26,561 --> 00:27:28,361 - I'm very interested about it 526 00:27:28,361 --> 00:27:31,921 and I think what worries me is that we have the opportunity 527 00:27:31,921 --> 00:27:36,121 now to save animals, flora and fauna that will be lost 528 00:27:36,121 --> 00:27:38,641 and we don't know what benefit they will be to us. 529 00:27:38,641 --> 00:27:40,841 - I think a lot of people say well global warming is bad 530 00:27:40,841 --> 00:27:43,481 but are they actually prepared to do anything about it. 531 00:27:45,161 --> 00:27:48,441 The company I work for is developing hydrogen powered 532 00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:50,441 fuel cells for cars in the future. 533 00:27:51,361 --> 00:27:52,921 It's still some way off but I think 534 00:27:52,921 --> 00:27:55,281 that's the way that cars will go. 535 00:27:59,481 --> 00:28:02,321 - There must be times when you look 536 00:28:02,321 --> 00:28:05,281 and think I did well with this 537 00:28:05,281 --> 00:28:08,241 or I should have done that differently? 538 00:28:08,241 --> 00:28:11,281 - I think there are events in your life like when 539 00:28:11,281 --> 00:28:13,481 for example Timothy graduated recently 540 00:28:13,481 --> 00:28:15,121 and we thought well that's quite nice. 541 00:28:15,121 --> 00:28:18,641 Here he is at the next stage of his life, 542 00:28:18,641 --> 00:28:20,281 you know he's done quite well to get there 543 00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:24,001 and he seems well balanced, and it's those sorts 544 00:28:24,001 --> 00:28:25,601 of things that make you reflect. 545 00:28:27,881 --> 00:28:28,961 - Well when Alexandra got his 546 00:28:28,961 --> 00:28:30,921 first job was very exciting. - Yes, absolutely. 547 00:28:30,921 --> 00:28:34,081 - He got the phone call and he screamed down the staircase, 548 00:28:34,081 --> 00:28:36,601 "I got the job," and a tear came to my eye. 549 00:28:36,601 --> 00:28:39,841 It still does now, it was such a lovely feeling really. 550 00:28:41,561 --> 00:28:44,281 I've been very fortunate that Andrew has provided very well 551 00:28:44,281 --> 00:28:45,801 for us without me having to go to work, 552 00:28:45,801 --> 00:28:48,401 and I've been able to nurture the boys, 553 00:28:48,401 --> 00:28:51,561 but I'm not sure whether looking at the next generation 554 00:28:51,561 --> 00:28:54,801 you feel a lot of women have to work and I admire them 555 00:28:54,801 --> 00:28:57,801 for doing it, but in some ways I think maybe it would be 556 00:28:57,801 --> 00:29:00,681 good to work, not necessarily full time, 557 00:29:00,681 --> 00:29:03,561 maybe take time off until your children are at school, 558 00:29:03,561 --> 00:29:05,641 but then you get to my stage and you think, 559 00:29:05,641 --> 00:29:08,081 well it would be nice to have something to do. 560 00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:11,081 - I mean are you grateful she made that decision? 561 00:29:11,081 --> 00:29:15,721 - Yes I am but I can see that now maybe she enjoy 562 00:29:15,721 --> 00:29:20,641 more having some sort of career at this stage. 563 00:29:20,641 --> 00:29:21,961 - Is that doable? 564 00:29:22,881 --> 00:29:24,161 - No I don't think so. 565 00:29:24,161 --> 00:29:25,801 - I would say it probably is, it's a matter 566 00:29:25,801 --> 00:29:30,001 of self confidence but, obviously in the mid fifties, 567 00:29:30,001 --> 00:29:31,321 it's a bit more difficult. 568 00:29:32,481 --> 00:29:34,201 - I'm not in the mid fifties yet remember. 569 00:29:35,201 --> 00:29:36,121 - True, you will be. - Does she lack 570 00:29:36,121 --> 00:29:37,561 self confidence do you think? 571 00:29:39,801 --> 00:29:42,081 - To a certain extent, I think she doesn't realise 572 00:29:42,081 --> 00:29:43,401 how capable she is really. 573 00:29:46,801 --> 00:29:50,081 - I think it's not a bad idea to pay for schools 574 00:29:50,081 --> 00:29:53,841 because if we didn't schools would be so nasty and crowded. 575 00:29:54,801 --> 00:29:58,921 I think that the premise in which the programme was based, 576 00:29:58,921 --> 00:30:01,561 namely that England was still in the grips 577 00:30:01,561 --> 00:30:06,561 of a Dickensian class system was outmoded even in 1964. 578 00:30:07,281 --> 00:30:10,041 It didn't reflect realities in '64. 579 00:30:11,441 --> 00:30:13,121 The hounds are over there I think. 580 00:30:14,081 --> 00:30:15,921 In so far as the programme touches me, 581 00:30:15,921 --> 00:30:17,521 I feel it's a complete fraud. 582 00:30:18,641 --> 00:30:23,081 It all appeared part of some indestructible birthright. 583 00:30:24,241 --> 00:30:28,241 What viewers were never told is that my father died 584 00:30:28,241 --> 00:30:31,241 when I was aged nine leaving my mother 585 00:30:31,241 --> 00:30:34,721 in very uncomfortable financial circumstances. 586 00:30:34,721 --> 00:30:39,721 She had to go out to work in order to see us through school 587 00:30:40,801 --> 00:30:43,361 and I then got a scholarship to Oxford. 588 00:30:45,001 --> 00:30:47,241 - The rich children always make fun 589 00:30:47,241 --> 00:30:48,681 of poor children I think. 590 00:30:48,681 --> 00:30:49,641 - Yes. - And Yes. 591 00:30:49,641 --> 00:30:51,281 They say look at that lovely-- 592 00:30:51,281 --> 00:30:53,641 I think the premise of the original film was 593 00:30:53,641 --> 00:30:56,881 that there was a very strong class system at that time 594 00:30:56,881 --> 00:30:58,561 and I think that's absolutely true. 595 00:30:58,561 --> 00:31:00,601 There is still a class system but I think it's based 596 00:31:00,601 --> 00:31:03,041 more on financial success. 597 00:31:04,121 --> 00:31:05,681 - Well, there's now an underclass 598 00:31:05,681 --> 00:31:07,041 where people can't work. 599 00:31:07,041 --> 00:31:09,001 - It's true. There are extremes that either end, 600 00:31:09,001 --> 00:31:11,881 there are very success people who are extremely rich, 601 00:31:13,081 --> 00:31:14,041 and there are people 602 00:31:14,041 --> 00:31:16,921 who have very poor prospects, it's true. 603 00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:18,841 But it's been ever thus, I don't think 604 00:31:18,841 --> 00:31:21,681 I don't think that's gonna change in the future 605 00:31:21,681 --> 00:31:23,561 and it's always been like that. 606 00:31:31,041 --> 00:31:33,241 - The last time I appeared in the programme, 607 00:31:33,241 --> 00:31:36,041 a very generous film director based 608 00:31:36,041 --> 00:31:40,561 in San Francisco saw the programme and sent us 609 00:31:40,561 --> 00:31:42,881 a large check running to many thousands of pounds 610 00:31:42,881 --> 00:31:45,041 which we were able to do a great deal of good with 611 00:31:45,041 --> 00:31:47,721 in Bulgaria at the time so that was a wonderful byproduct 612 00:31:47,721 --> 00:31:49,561 of the programme and perhaps it's 613 00:31:49,561 --> 00:31:52,481 slightly softened my objections. 614 00:31:54,281 --> 00:31:55,561 - It's not something I look forward to 615 00:31:55,561 --> 00:31:57,841 every seven years appearing in this programme. 616 00:31:59,281 --> 00:32:01,321 I'm always surprised that you appear for five 617 00:32:01,321 --> 00:32:03,361 or 10 minutes and everyone remembers your face 618 00:32:03,361 --> 00:32:05,681 but apparently they do. 619 00:32:05,681 --> 00:32:08,161 ♪ I'll let you back if you let me ♪ 620 00:32:08,161 --> 00:32:10,161 - Well I suppose the only thing for me is that I've seen 621 00:32:10,161 --> 00:32:14,081 what my husband looked like at seven and 14 and 21 622 00:32:14,081 --> 00:32:16,401 before I knew him, and then when I had my 623 00:32:16,401 --> 00:32:20,121 own children I could see which of them looked like 624 00:32:20,121 --> 00:32:21,881 their father at those stages of life 625 00:32:21,881 --> 00:32:23,601 and a lot of women just don't have that. 626 00:32:23,601 --> 00:32:26,721 - I think what's undesirable is people who have had options 627 00:32:26,721 --> 00:32:30,161 don't take best advantage of them but I can't see 628 00:32:30,161 --> 00:32:33,961 there's anything wrong as long as people don't abuse 629 00:32:33,961 --> 00:32:36,441 the opportunities and privileges they've had. 630 00:32:36,441 --> 00:32:38,961 - It's a very nonchalant little theme, 631 00:32:38,961 --> 00:32:40,321 you know, butter wouldn't melt in it's mouth, 632 00:32:40,321 --> 00:32:43,521 so take it very quietly and let it just present itself. 633 00:32:48,001 --> 00:32:50,201 - Well if one discounts want to be a train driver 634 00:32:50,201 --> 00:32:55,001 or a major opera singer, or a concert pianist 635 00:32:55,001 --> 00:32:58,361 would have been nice but I was never good enough. 636 00:33:05,361 --> 00:33:08,081 I enjoy my professional career very much indeed 637 00:33:08,081 --> 00:33:10,801 but, you know, doing something for 638 00:33:10,801 --> 00:33:13,161 other people gives you a satisfaction 639 00:33:13,161 --> 00:33:17,001 that even winning a fantastic case on 640 00:33:17,001 --> 00:33:21,081 some ludicrous archaic point of law won't quite deliver. 641 00:33:23,801 --> 00:33:26,201 I think the thing where I would regard myself 642 00:33:26,201 --> 00:33:30,121 most successful is that I'm blessed with wonderful friends. 643 00:33:30,121 --> 00:33:31,881 I'm happily married. 644 00:33:31,881 --> 00:33:33,921 I think I'm incredibly lucky person 645 00:33:33,921 --> 00:33:35,281 in all sorts of respects. 646 00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:51,641 - It is important to fight, yes. 647 00:33:54,321 --> 00:33:57,201 - Tony was brought up in the East End of London. 648 00:33:58,121 --> 00:33:59,481 - I want to be a jockey when I grow up. 649 00:33:59,481 --> 00:34:02,961 Yeah I want to be a jockey when I grow up. 650 00:34:06,041 --> 00:34:08,561 - At 14 he was already an apprentice 651 00:34:08,561 --> 00:34:11,481 at Tommy Goslings Racing Stable at Epsom. 652 00:34:14,441 --> 00:34:16,681 At 15 he'd left school. 653 00:34:18,561 --> 00:34:21,881 - This is a photo finish of when I rode at Newbury. 654 00:34:21,881 --> 00:34:23,321 I'm the one with the white cap. 655 00:34:23,321 --> 00:34:25,401 I was beaten a length and a half for third 656 00:34:25,401 --> 00:34:26,801 and I had a photo finish. 657 00:34:27,881 --> 00:34:30,161 - Do you regret not making it? 658 00:34:30,161 --> 00:34:31,561 - Well I would have given my right arm 659 00:34:31,561 --> 00:34:33,721 at the time to become a jockey. 660 00:34:33,721 --> 00:34:37,641 But now, well, I wasn't good enough. 661 00:34:37,641 --> 00:34:42,641 My greatest fulfilment in life when I rode at Kempton 662 00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:45,721 in the same race as Lester Piggott. 663 00:34:45,721 --> 00:34:47,121 The proudest day of my life. 664 00:34:48,161 --> 00:34:50,081 - And you let it go? - I let it go. 665 00:34:51,641 --> 00:34:52,481 - What will you do 666 00:34:52,481 --> 00:34:54,561 if you don't make it as a jockey? 667 00:34:54,561 --> 00:34:56,161 - I don't know. 668 00:34:56,161 --> 00:34:59,481 If I know I couldn't be one I'd get out of the game. 669 00:35:00,601 --> 00:35:02,041 I wouldn't bother. 670 00:35:02,041 --> 00:35:03,921 - And what do you think you will do then? 671 00:35:05,001 --> 00:35:06,001 - Go on taxis. 672 00:35:08,561 --> 00:35:10,961 - At 21 he was on the Knowledge 673 00:35:10,961 --> 00:35:13,441 and by 28 he owned his own cab. 674 00:35:14,681 --> 00:35:16,321 - It's surprising who you pick up you see. 675 00:35:17,361 --> 00:35:19,801 I once met Kojak, I picked him up. 676 00:35:19,801 --> 00:35:21,801 I'll give you a story which happened. 677 00:35:21,801 --> 00:35:25,161 The doorman called me up and it was Buzz Aldrin the Spaceman 678 00:35:26,081 --> 00:35:28,401 and we drove out of the forecourt of the hotel 679 00:35:28,401 --> 00:35:31,641 and a cab pulled up and the taxi driver said, 680 00:35:31,641 --> 00:35:32,921 "Can you get his autograph?" 681 00:35:32,921 --> 00:35:36,001 So I heard it and say, "Mr Aldrin," I said, 682 00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:37,441 "Can I have your autograph please?" 683 00:35:37,441 --> 00:35:40,161 And the cabbie said, "No I don't want his autograph, 684 00:35:40,161 --> 00:35:41,921 "I want your autograph." 685 00:35:41,921 --> 00:35:45,281 And I couldn't believe it, I said, "your joking ain't ya?" 686 00:35:45,281 --> 00:35:48,081 And to this day I thought to myself, you know, 687 00:35:48,081 --> 00:35:50,521 I'm more famous than Buzz Aldrin, 688 00:35:50,521 --> 00:35:52,921 he was the second man to land on the moon. 689 00:35:52,921 --> 00:35:54,401 - Have you got a girlfriend? 690 00:35:54,401 --> 00:35:55,321 - No. 691 00:35:55,321 --> 00:35:57,841 - Would you like to have a girlfriend? 692 00:35:57,841 --> 00:35:59,041 - No. 693 00:35:59,041 --> 00:36:01,121 Do you understand the four Fs? 694 00:36:01,121 --> 00:36:02,881 Find 'em, feed 'em and forget 'em. 695 00:36:02,881 --> 00:36:06,041 For the other F I'll let you know your own discriminations. 696 00:36:06,041 --> 00:36:10,881 I mean this one I tried to do the three Fs 697 00:36:10,881 --> 00:36:13,001 but I couldn't forget her. 698 00:36:13,001 --> 00:36:15,281 - I went to a discotheque. 699 00:36:15,281 --> 00:36:17,761 He was in the pub earlier on, 700 00:36:17,761 --> 00:36:20,281 and afterwards we went to a discotheque 701 00:36:20,281 --> 00:36:21,801 and Tony would standing there. 702 00:36:21,801 --> 00:36:25,041 And I just, from there I just, that was it. 703 00:36:26,241 --> 00:36:29,921 - By 42 Tony and Debbie had left the East End 704 00:36:29,921 --> 00:36:31,801 and moved to Woodford in Essex. 705 00:36:39,241 --> 00:36:43,241 At 49 they'd taken out a second mortgage on the London house 706 00:36:43,241 --> 00:36:45,881 and put the money into a holiday home in Spain. 707 00:36:47,961 --> 00:36:51,801 - From here there's about two hundred yards along, 708 00:36:51,801 --> 00:36:54,521 there's going to be all commercial units here. 709 00:36:54,521 --> 00:36:57,601 My intensions would be to turn one of these units 710 00:36:57,601 --> 00:36:58,641 into a sports bar. 711 00:36:59,601 --> 00:37:02,441 We're putting all tellies round in a sport sort of way, 712 00:37:02,441 --> 00:37:04,881 football shirts and all that memorabilia. 713 00:37:05,881 --> 00:37:07,921 Aldi have come along and built 714 00:37:07,921 --> 00:37:10,281 a brand new supermarket there. 715 00:37:10,281 --> 00:37:13,081 So all my aspirations and dreams went out of the window. 716 00:37:14,881 --> 00:37:16,721 Well, Michael, that used to be my bank 717 00:37:16,721 --> 00:37:20,961 and that's been closed now for about eighteen months. 718 00:37:20,961 --> 00:37:23,161 As you probably understand there is a world recession 719 00:37:23,161 --> 00:37:28,161 and they were affected like everybody else. 720 00:37:28,601 --> 00:37:30,841 My character seems to have sort of slowed down 721 00:37:30,841 --> 00:37:33,841 while I'm out here and the pace is different 722 00:37:33,841 --> 00:37:36,881 and everything's done tomorrow here. 723 00:37:37,801 --> 00:37:39,321 You know, I could just go to the beach, 724 00:37:39,321 --> 00:37:42,321 everyone sort of mingles in and it's lovely. 725 00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:46,681 Our jobs can make it accessible where we can come four hours 726 00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:49,561 from door to door from Spain back to England. 727 00:37:49,561 --> 00:37:53,001 We can work three weeks, a commitment of getting out money, 728 00:37:53,001 --> 00:37:55,161 and still having a life out here. 729 00:37:56,081 --> 00:37:58,241 - It's a bit quite though for you two isn't it? 730 00:37:58,241 --> 00:38:00,561 - Yeah but then you've got your bingo there haven't you. 731 00:38:00,561 --> 00:38:01,921 - It's not quiet when we get here. 732 00:38:01,921 --> 00:38:03,081 - No it isn't. 733 00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:06,281 There's only one ambition really, I want a baby son 734 00:38:06,281 --> 00:38:09,401 and if I see my baby son that will be my ambition fulfilled. 735 00:38:09,401 --> 00:38:11,241 No one knows that, only you now. 736 00:38:12,961 --> 00:38:15,641 - Debbie and Tony have three children: 737 00:38:15,641 --> 00:38:18,521 Nicky, Jodie and Perry. 738 00:38:20,921 --> 00:38:23,721 - Nicky as you know he was a French polisher 739 00:38:23,721 --> 00:38:26,401 which is a dying trade in England. 740 00:38:26,401 --> 00:38:30,241 So we funded him me and Debbie on the Knowledge. 741 00:38:30,241 --> 00:38:31,601 Cheers everyone. - Cheers. 742 00:38:33,041 --> 00:38:34,761 - We got him the bike, we got him the runs, 743 00:38:34,761 --> 00:38:39,761 we paid his tutoring and I couldn't ask for more, 744 00:38:39,881 --> 00:38:42,281 to be more proud for when he got his badge. 745 00:38:42,281 --> 00:38:45,721 It was a gift from god for what happened. 746 00:38:45,721 --> 00:38:48,001 - I'm very proud of Perry as well. 747 00:38:48,001 --> 00:38:50,681 She got in the Post Office and that's what she's doing. 748 00:38:50,681 --> 00:38:53,481 Postman Pel, that's our Postman Pel. 749 00:38:53,481 --> 00:38:54,961 - She's got a lovely boyfriend 750 00:38:54,961 --> 00:38:58,001 and he's certainly got my blessing. 751 00:38:58,001 --> 00:39:00,801 Big lad very nice guy, loves his football, 752 00:39:00,801 --> 00:39:02,641 you know, typical East End kid. 753 00:39:04,841 --> 00:39:09,681 - You're not lazy, far from it, but I just think it's easier 754 00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:11,361 to iron it as it's drying. 755 00:39:11,361 --> 00:39:13,001 I used to do that. - No you never. 756 00:39:13,001 --> 00:39:14,841 You paid to get your ironing done 757 00:39:14,841 --> 00:39:18,161 like you still do today, you always have paid. 758 00:39:18,161 --> 00:39:20,481 - So how is it all of you in the house together? 759 00:39:21,721 --> 00:39:24,001 - Yeah, it's all right. 760 00:39:24,001 --> 00:39:27,481 - She's only here because she's pregnant 761 00:39:27,481 --> 00:39:29,801 and she doesn't carry too well. 762 00:39:31,121 --> 00:39:33,561 - Sometimes she gets on my nerves. 763 00:39:33,561 --> 00:39:34,761 Sometimes they all get on my nerves. 764 00:39:34,761 --> 00:39:37,441 Sometimes I get on their nerves. 765 00:39:37,441 --> 00:39:39,161 It's just what happens. 766 00:39:41,361 --> 00:39:43,561 - Well done Pel. - The ironing board give way. 767 00:39:43,561 --> 00:39:46,681 - Well done. 768 00:39:46,681 --> 00:39:51,201 - Jodie at this present time she's just relies 769 00:39:51,201 --> 00:39:56,201 on us a great deal, and she's been very scarred 770 00:39:56,961 --> 00:39:59,601 with a relationship that she was in. 771 00:40:00,841 --> 00:40:02,761 Her relationship with her first love of her 772 00:40:02,761 --> 00:40:07,761 own life is very turbulent but he's the father of her kid. 773 00:40:13,481 --> 00:40:16,241 - Jodie has a daughter, Toni. 774 00:40:16,241 --> 00:40:20,881 - Toni as you appreciate she's living with us, 775 00:40:20,881 --> 00:40:24,561 and my daughter Jodie she's at this present time 776 00:40:24,561 --> 00:40:27,561 having emotional problems and various other problems, 777 00:40:27,561 --> 00:40:31,281 and most of all I've got to make sure my Toni grows up 778 00:40:31,281 --> 00:40:33,161 with a safe environment. 779 00:40:34,841 --> 00:40:38,481 Once her mother does get better I will certainly bond them 780 00:40:38,481 --> 00:40:42,481 back and hopefully which we pray they become mother 781 00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:46,281 and daughter and everything will be fine after that. 782 00:40:47,921 --> 00:40:49,881 She's growing up at an alarming rate. 783 00:40:51,201 --> 00:40:53,721 When she's with any one of her friends I'll go to her 784 00:40:53,721 --> 00:40:56,241 and say, "Toni, no no no no." 785 00:40:56,241 --> 00:40:58,761 And, "Stop it granddad, see you're embarrassing me," 786 00:40:58,761 --> 00:41:01,681 and I have to pull the reins in for me. 787 00:41:03,841 --> 00:41:05,601 - How's the cabbing going? 788 00:41:05,601 --> 00:41:09,881 - We had an influx of Arabs come for Ramadan. 789 00:41:09,881 --> 00:41:13,481 Without them and the injection of wealth, 790 00:41:13,481 --> 00:41:15,321 I think the cab trade will have sunk. 791 00:41:16,801 --> 00:41:19,401 It's been so bad out there. - It's very hard. 792 00:41:19,401 --> 00:41:24,401 - The ratio before was about ten cabs to seven jobs. 793 00:41:24,761 --> 00:41:28,721 When the Arabs come it was about ten cabs to nine jobs. 794 00:41:28,721 --> 00:41:31,601 When they go away and now the recession came 795 00:41:31,601 --> 00:41:33,721 it's ten cabs to two jobs. 796 00:41:34,681 --> 00:41:38,401 I feel that the economy will bust within five years 797 00:41:38,401 --> 00:41:40,561 because people like myself have been giving 798 00:41:40,561 --> 00:41:42,721 and giving all the time. 799 00:41:42,721 --> 00:41:47,001 We're paying, and someone's getting it at our expense. 800 00:41:48,041 --> 00:41:50,001 - How did you prophesy what was going to happen 801 00:41:50,001 --> 00:41:52,241 in this last programme, you seemed to know 802 00:41:52,241 --> 00:41:54,441 that the economy was going to go bust? 803 00:41:54,441 --> 00:41:57,801 - I feel the Labour government has got a lot to answer for. 804 00:41:57,801 --> 00:42:01,121 Draining the system dry, giving out aid to all the countries 805 00:42:01,121 --> 00:42:03,761 around the world, haemorrhaging money 806 00:42:03,761 --> 00:42:07,081 through the war effort, you know giving money to the banks 807 00:42:07,081 --> 00:42:09,121 and no regulation on the banks. 808 00:42:09,121 --> 00:42:11,641 You could see the drip drip drip situation 809 00:42:11,641 --> 00:42:13,841 at the end of the tap, and by the time 810 00:42:13,841 --> 00:42:16,241 there's no water left in the tank they want us 811 00:42:16,241 --> 00:42:18,001 to put it all back in. 812 00:42:19,881 --> 00:42:22,801 Sometimes on a Saturday morning I go to the pictures. 813 00:42:22,801 --> 00:42:27,361 - Sometimes with my friends and sometimes with him. 814 00:42:27,361 --> 00:42:28,961 - You don't. - I do. 815 00:42:29,881 --> 00:42:31,401 - She don't. 816 00:42:31,401 --> 00:42:33,881 - And why did you fall in love with him? 817 00:42:33,881 --> 00:42:36,801 - Dunno, dunno - I don't know how 818 00:42:36,801 --> 00:42:37,761 you've put up with me for so long. 819 00:42:37,761 --> 00:42:41,481 - I don't know, sometimes I don't know how I stand him. 820 00:42:41,481 --> 00:42:43,481 Who's to say in another ten years me 821 00:42:43,481 --> 00:42:44,881 and him might have split up. 822 00:42:44,881 --> 00:42:48,241 - Quite possible - You know, you don't know. 823 00:42:48,241 --> 00:42:52,641 - I'm not proud at all to say this but situations arise 824 00:42:52,641 --> 00:42:57,641 that I have had regretful behaviour various times 825 00:42:58,481 --> 00:43:00,961 but through-- - You got caught 826 00:43:02,881 --> 00:43:03,721 and that was it. 827 00:43:03,721 --> 00:43:07,161 - You must appreciate 32 years is a long time to be married 828 00:43:08,081 --> 00:43:13,081 and most of all I mean I've got an open characteristic way 829 00:43:13,481 --> 00:43:18,081 about me and sometimes it has got me in to trouble 830 00:43:18,081 --> 00:43:20,121 which has been well documented before. 831 00:43:21,241 --> 00:43:24,761 I owe Debbie everything because good or bad, 832 00:43:25,641 --> 00:43:28,881 high or low, rain or shine she's stuck by me. 833 00:43:37,441 --> 00:43:40,441 At the end of it I still love her so 834 00:43:41,961 --> 00:43:42,881 and that's the reason why and 835 00:43:42,881 --> 00:43:45,921 that will always be the reason why. 836 00:43:45,921 --> 00:43:47,721 - Were the kids angry with you? 837 00:43:47,721 --> 00:43:50,921 - Yeah, yes they were angry with me 838 00:43:50,921 --> 00:43:55,921 and the situation was it was a hard pill to swallow 839 00:43:56,041 --> 00:43:58,321 because the kids are my life. 840 00:43:58,321 --> 00:44:07,081 Nicky, Jodie, Perry, the grandchildren, I draw a circle, 841 00:44:07,401 --> 00:44:10,481 they're all mine and I'm lucky, 842 00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:12,361 I'm very very lucky, Michael. 843 00:44:18,081 --> 00:44:20,561 Michael, up there is my old flat what I used to live in. 844 00:44:20,561 --> 00:44:22,401 I lived up there for 28 years. 845 00:44:23,481 --> 00:44:25,721 Now for me it's so small round here now, 846 00:44:25,721 --> 00:44:28,161 I mean I come back and the memories I've got 847 00:44:28,161 --> 00:44:30,361 in here is unbelievable. 848 00:44:32,161 --> 00:44:34,561 - Right, would everybody please sit round now 849 00:44:34,561 --> 00:44:35,641 and get on with their work. 850 00:44:35,641 --> 00:44:37,441 I don't want to see any backs to me. 851 00:44:39,241 --> 00:44:40,401 There shouldn't be anybody turning round, 852 00:44:40,401 --> 00:44:41,881 Tony do you hear as well? 853 00:44:44,241 --> 00:44:46,881 Get on with your work in front. 854 00:44:46,881 --> 00:44:49,441 Tony, don't turn round again. 855 00:44:51,881 --> 00:44:53,841 - As you can see, Michael, the Bethnal Green I knew 856 00:44:53,841 --> 00:44:58,841 as a kid growing up and how it's changed quite dramatically. 857 00:45:02,121 --> 00:45:05,081 Not one East Ender, Cockney person like myself 858 00:45:05,081 --> 00:45:08,041 or anyone in the East End ever had a say in the immigration. 859 00:45:08,041 --> 00:45:12,321 No one had a say of the population as far as, 860 00:45:12,321 --> 00:45:14,361 was there too many, was there too less? 861 00:45:15,281 --> 00:45:17,961 - Listening to you sometimes you sound racist. 862 00:45:17,961 --> 00:45:19,961 - Racist? - Asian, well now, 863 00:45:19,961 --> 00:45:22,681 you talk about Asians, you talk about Japanese 864 00:45:22,681 --> 00:45:26,641 and yet here in Spain you seem to really work 865 00:45:26,641 --> 00:45:28,841 to integrate in to the community. 866 00:45:28,841 --> 00:45:31,361 - Well look, Michael, with respect to you 867 00:45:31,361 --> 00:45:33,801 that word racist it covers leaps 868 00:45:33,801 --> 00:45:35,521 and bounds of characteristics. 869 00:45:35,521 --> 00:45:38,201 I've never been racist in a million years, 870 00:45:38,201 --> 00:45:39,881 in a million years. 871 00:45:39,881 --> 00:45:44,161 I love people, I'm a people lover you know and no way. 872 00:45:44,161 --> 00:45:46,561 I think that's with respect to you over the top. 873 00:45:48,241 --> 00:45:50,001 Right, Michael, this is the fruit and veg shop 874 00:45:50,001 --> 00:45:52,401 where I was 7 years old I had my first wage 875 00:45:52,401 --> 00:45:54,321 in there, 10 bob a week. 876 00:45:54,321 --> 00:45:56,401 This here was a pub. 877 00:45:56,401 --> 00:45:59,481 This is where all the dry horses used to deliver the beer. 878 00:45:59,481 --> 00:46:01,681 I used to run in and get in my apples 879 00:46:01,681 --> 00:46:03,241 and I used to feed them, 880 00:46:03,241 --> 00:46:05,921 and where I was so small they were a mammoth 881 00:46:05,921 --> 00:46:09,441 and that's where I got my love for horses from. 882 00:46:09,441 --> 00:46:11,881 - Four to one, Cool Alone. - Great, time and now. 883 00:46:11,881 --> 00:46:14,281 - 4 1/2 50s, 4 1/2 50s, 4 1/2. 884 00:46:14,281 --> 00:46:16,081 If your father gambles you're always looked upon 885 00:46:16,081 --> 00:46:17,121 how he gambles. 886 00:46:17,121 --> 00:46:18,881 I try my luck and see what he does. 887 00:46:20,041 --> 00:46:23,241 And I took it from there it's sort of in you. 888 00:46:23,241 --> 00:46:26,601 This is the pub and the area where my dad used to meet. 889 00:46:26,601 --> 00:46:28,881 And what they used to do is get an orange box 890 00:46:28,881 --> 00:46:31,761 with three cards on it, a queen and two fours, 891 00:46:31,761 --> 00:46:33,321 and what they'd do it's called find the lady 892 00:46:33,321 --> 00:46:35,241 like the three card trick, 893 00:46:35,241 --> 00:46:38,241 and consequently they just sort of take their money 894 00:46:38,241 --> 00:46:39,881 off all the general public. 895 00:46:39,881 --> 00:46:42,961 He used to go in the nick once a week at least, 896 00:46:42,961 --> 00:46:45,081 and the firm used to take their money out, 897 00:46:45,081 --> 00:46:47,521 pay the fine and he was back out on the street 898 00:46:47,521 --> 00:46:50,521 to do his sort of erm, devilry ways. 899 00:46:54,241 --> 00:46:55,681 I've come back here again 900 00:46:55,681 --> 00:46:59,161 and it's really a travesty what's happened here. 901 00:46:59,161 --> 00:47:01,001 I mean, it makes me feel like crying. 902 00:47:02,961 --> 00:47:05,321 For me it's quite sad, you know, but I mean, 903 00:47:05,321 --> 00:47:08,801 if that's what they call progress well so be it. 904 00:47:12,401 --> 00:47:13,641 - Where are we now Tony? 905 00:47:13,641 --> 00:47:15,761 - I'm back at the old dog track. 906 00:47:22,721 --> 00:47:25,161 We're at the Olympic Stadium, Michael. 907 00:47:25,161 --> 00:47:27,241 And this is where the old dog track used to be 908 00:47:27,241 --> 00:47:29,521 on this site and I'm here today 909 00:47:29,521 --> 00:47:31,681 and I cannot believe the transformation. 910 00:47:32,641 --> 00:47:36,241 It's a dream, it's just spectacular. 911 00:47:36,241 --> 00:47:38,761 And the torch from this games shall be now passed 912 00:47:38,761 --> 00:47:42,521 to the East End for a new generation to come through. 913 00:47:46,961 --> 00:47:47,761 Wee Wee! 914 00:47:51,361 --> 00:47:54,321 - At the end of their very special day in London, 915 00:47:54,321 --> 00:47:56,521 after their trip to the zoo and the party, 916 00:47:57,401 --> 00:48:00,401 we took our children to an adventure playground 917 00:48:00,401 --> 00:48:03,201 where they could do just what they liked. 918 00:48:03,201 --> 00:48:06,561 Those from the children's home set about building a house. 919 00:48:18,121 --> 00:48:18,961 There's Nicholas. 920 00:48:26,041 --> 00:48:26,881 And Tony. 921 00:48:32,321 --> 00:48:33,121 Andrew. 922 00:48:37,241 --> 00:48:38,081 John. 923 00:48:43,001 --> 00:48:43,841 And Bruce. 924 00:48:49,961 --> 00:48:50,761 Suzy. 925 00:48:56,961 --> 00:48:58,801 Jackie and her friends. 926 00:49:04,801 --> 00:49:07,641 Give me a child until he is seven 927 00:49:07,641 --> 00:49:09,761 and I will give you the man. 928 00:49:18,401 --> 00:49:22,281 This has been a glimpse of Britain's future.